Comments on: Who are you disappointing with IE6 support? http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/ Strategic web development Tue, 08 May 2012 22:48:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Kumar4874 http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-36717 Kumar4874 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:50:00 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-36717 It is important to choose right one since the first time. Thank you for the tips. Proper care will save money in long term <a href="http://www.fhaloanlending.com" rel="nofollow">FHA Loans</a> It is important to choose right one since the first time. Thank you for the tips.
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]]> By: Norbert Szabo http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33839 Norbert Szabo Sat, 15 May 2010 00:30:27 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33839 Well you spot anything new, and it's not the first time I read something like this. As you notice, until the market share of IE6 drops under % we should always take care of it when producing web contents. Obviously I'm referring to sites that actually include that kind of target. Currently I'm working with this key in mind: for mainstream browsers the site should be "perfect", on IE6 it should be "usable", never spending too much time on adjusting margins or strange absolute boxes positions: at least the user will not be disappointed and can browse through the site without problems. Well you spot anything new, and it’s not the first time I read something like this. As you notice, until the market share of IE6 drops under % we should always take care of it when producing web contents. Obviously I’m referring to sites that actually include that kind of target. Currently I’m working with this key in mind: for mainstream browsers the site should be “perfect”, on IE6 it should be “usable”, never spending too much time on adjusting margins or strange absolute boxes positions: at least the user will not be disappointed and can browse through the site without problems.

]]> By: Techniques to use when IE6 dies | Web Development News http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33470 Techniques to use when IE6 dies | Web Development News Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:54:48 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33470 [...] except Microsoft themselves are talking about the death of IE6. I’ve tried motivating people to drop support, arguing that you at least can show IE6 users a message. Many have replied with “but our IT [...] [...] except Microsoft themselves are talking about the death of IE6. I’ve tried motivating people to drop support, arguing that you at least can show IE6 users a message. Many have replied with “but our IT [...]

]]> By: Pariuri Sportive http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33439 Pariuri Sportive Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:49:58 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33439 The only reason IE has a dominant market share is because Microsoft bundles it with Windows. Microsoft is unmotivated to improve their browser because of IE's monopoly. The open-source browsers will one day take over the market, and Microsoft will finally make an innovative version of IE. The only reason IE has a dominant market share is because Microsoft bundles it with Windows. Microsoft is unmotivated to improve their browser because of IE’s monopoly. The open-source browsers will one day take over the market, and Microsoft will finally make an innovative version of IE.

]]> By: Case pariuri http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33433 Case pariuri Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:37:27 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33433 I really cannot understand why these guys are still using IE6. My websites are not looking very fancy in this browser because I'm using a lot of new design tehnics which IE6 obviously doesn't recognize well! As you said in the article, we should encourage guys to upgrade, but I have a strong presumption that these users don't know how to hit more than 2-3 clicks on a browser, and always with the fear that they might ruin their pc. They often use the net for reading newspapers or simple news websites. This is sad, but to be honest, frankly, I don't need such visitors. As their potency on the net is too low for getting any of the products I offer. PS: Why come IE automatic update is not the same like for windows update? MS should put at obligation their people for an update. Or has it something to do with the license? If you don't have it, you can't update? Thanks for any answers! Excited about this new community! I really cannot understand why these guys are still using IE6. My websites are not looking very fancy in this browser because I’m using a lot of new design tehnics which IE6 obviously doesn’t recognize well!

As you said in the article, we should encourage guys to upgrade, but I have a strong presumption that these users don’t know how to hit more than 2-3 clicks on a browser, and always with the fear that they might ruin their pc. They often use the net for reading newspapers or simple news websites. This is sad, but to be honest, frankly, I don’t need such visitors. As their potency on the net is too low for getting any of the products I offer.

PS: Why come IE automatic update is not the same like for windows update? MS should put at obligation their people for an update. Or has it something to do with the license? If you don’t have it, you can’t update?

Thanks for any answers! Excited about this new community!

]]> By: pariuri sportive http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33406 pariuri sportive Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:44:32 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33406 20% of my users are still using IE6 and providing support for IE6 is a must for me. I`m not interested why they are using IE6, is there choice, what is interesting for me is that they view my site corectly. 20% of my users are still using IE6 and providing support for IE6 is a must for me. I`m not interested why they are using IE6, is there choice, what is interesting for me is that they view my site corectly.

]]> By: Peter Morffew http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-33318 Peter Morffew Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:35:15 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-33318 The big issue with older browsers is their security. With so many patches not fixed in ie6 it is no wonder that there are so many bots. The problem with making a website not accessable to a certain group i.e. ie6 and earlier is the law where so mnay countries are implementing accessability laws which puts the onus of the accessability onto the company and website designer. Because there is the chance of a lawsuite over accessability websites in theory still have to accommodate ie6 and then have to perpetrate the bots and hackers. The arguement is not about what browsers to accommodate regardless of market share but websites should be allowed to drop older browsers because of improving security on the internet. Once this approach is taken then the security issues will not be so common and hackers will ahve to work harder and companys will not have so much down time on their servers and waste money fixing viruses,trojans etc. The big issue with older browsers is their security. With so many patches not fixed in ie6 it is no wonder that there are so many bots.
The problem with making a website not accessable to a certain group i.e. ie6 and earlier is the law where so mnay countries are implementing accessability laws which puts the onus of the accessability onto the company and website designer.
Because there is the chance of a lawsuite over accessability websites in theory still have to accommodate ie6 and then have to perpetrate the bots and hackers.
The arguement is not about what browsers to accommodate regardless of market share but websites should be allowed to drop older browsers because of improving security on the internet.
Once this approach is taken then the security issues will not be so common and hackers will ahve to work harder and companys will not have so much down time on their servers and waste money fixing viruses,trojans etc.

]]> By: Alex http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32921 Alex Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:25:50 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32921 You will lose some readers by using the 2nd point in your article but you'll make them think twice before using IE6 as a valid browser in 2009. In the past month i have had 5% of visitors using IE6.. You will lose some readers by using the 2nd point in your article but you’ll make them think twice before using IE6 as a valid browser in 2009.

In the past month i have had 5% of visitors using IE6..

]]> By: Emil Stenström http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32908 Emil Stenström Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:24:31 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32908 @Jeff Seager: Thanks for you comment! The method you describe is the same one I use, and what I would perceive to be best practice in the industry. Would love to skip the last step there... "Arguments for IT administrators" is a great idea for a new blog post, I'll see if I can think up some thoughts worthy of publishing :) @Jeff Seager: Thanks for you comment! The method you describe is the same one I use, and what I would perceive to be best practice in the industry. Would love to skip the last step there…

“Arguments for IT administrators” is a great idea for a new blog post, I’ll see if I can think up some thoughts worthy of publishing :)

]]> By: Jeff Seager http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32907 Jeff Seager Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:01:25 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32907 I appreciate your thoughts, Emil. The projector illustrates an accessibility problem I would not have guessed at. Accessibility is one of my highest priorities, and today I build to standards as best I can and test with Firefox, Opera, Safari, Lynx, IE7 and IE8. Then, like Jonathan Nicol, I make adjustments to anything that's broken in IE6. What's chaining us all to IE6 is the corporate and government system administrators who refuse to upgrade, and have no real incentive to upgrade. Many designed their intranets with FrontPage or some other monster that churned out sloppy proprietary Microsoft code. In a closed system, with IE6 users only, their code does what they want it to do. Standards compliance is not a problem for them, because for them there is only one browser. So the question is, what can we do to give these people the incentive and the tools that will move them out of the Dark Ages? I'd love to hear what you and some of your other readers suggest. I appreciate your thoughts, Emil. The projector illustrates an accessibility problem I would not have guessed at.

Accessibility is one of my highest priorities, and today I build to standards as best I can and test with Firefox, Opera, Safari, Lynx, IE7 and IE8. Then, like Jonathan Nicol, I make adjustments to anything that’s broken in IE6.

What’s chaining us all to IE6 is the corporate and government system administrators who refuse to upgrade, and have no real incentive to upgrade. Many designed their intranets with FrontPage or some other monster that churned out sloppy proprietary Microsoft code. In a closed system, with IE6 users only, their code does what they want it to do. Standards compliance is not a problem for them, because for them there is only one browser.

So the question is, what can we do to give these people the incentive and the tools that will move them out of the Dark Ages? I’d love to hear what you and some of your other readers suggest.

]]> By: Emil Stenström http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32851 Emil Stenström Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:08:40 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32851 @tswaters: Don't do it in one step. Start by telling users that you will be stopping support soon. That gives locked-in users some arguments to give their IT-departments. Even YouTube is doing just that. You can too. @tswaters: Don’t do it in one step. Start by telling users that you will be stopping support soon. That gives locked-in users some arguments to give their IT-departments. Even YouTube is doing just that. You can too.

]]> By: tswaters http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32849 tswaters Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:12:28 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32849 managed users can't upgrade their web browsers and the web department generally doesn't control group policy. if anyone outside of a managed environment hasn't updated their web-browser to one that works properly yet i would begin to question their sanity. on my personal site, i capture if ie < 8 and tell them to bugger off, "your browser fails miserably, go away". then again, i'm not selling anything and don't have any customers / followers to speak of. managed users can’t upgrade their web browsers and the web department generally doesn’t control group policy. if anyone outside of a managed environment hasn’t updated their web-browser to one that works properly yet i would begin to question their sanity. on my personal site, i capture if ie < 8 and tell them to bugger off, "your browser fails miserably, go away". then again, i'm not selling anything and don't have any customers / followers to speak of.

]]> By: Emil Stenström http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32189 Emil Stenström Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:30:45 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32189 @Jonathan Nicol: Thanks for your comment! Yeah, the speedup really is significant if you can drop IE6 support. It's not so much that it's hard to support, it's all the time it consumes.... I know the ins and outs of IE6, I just hate going through hoops to do what it needs, downgrading features because it can't handle them. I've come to use your second tactic when customers have few IE6 users that they can't ignore. I just make the text readable, and the major flows work as they should, and let the design look a bit messy. Always with a warning, and a message for the user to upgrade. I agree that we can find worse browsers than IE6 to support, but I think that's beside the point. We need a better environment to be productive in, and that requires the immediate death of IE6. *Loads gun* @Jonathan Nicol: Thanks for your comment! Yeah, the speedup really is significant if you can drop IE6 support. It’s not so much that it’s hard to support, it’s all the time it consumes…. I know the ins and outs of IE6, I just hate going through hoops to do what it needs, downgrading features because it can’t handle them.

I’ve come to use your second tactic when customers have few IE6 users that they can’t ignore. I just make the text readable, and the major flows work as they should, and let the design look a bit messy. Always with a warning, and a message for the user to upgrade.

I agree that we can find worse browsers than IE6 to support, but I think that’s beside the point. We need a better environment to be productive in, and that requires the immediate death of IE6. *Loads gun*

]]> By: Jonathan Nicol http://friendlybit.com/browsers/motivation-for-building-for-ie6/#comment-32187 Jonathan Nicol Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:59:22 +0000 http://friendlybit.com/?p=430#comment-32187 I recently completed work on the overhaul of a project management web application, and was able to specify that IE6 would not be supported. It was a great feeling and sped up the development process significantly! However, typically when I am working on client sites I do still test in IE6. I no longer aim for pixel perfection in IE6, and spend only the miniumum amount of time required to fix IE6 display errors. On my blog and personal sites I test in IE7+. If someone is reading a web development blog and still using IE6, they seriously need to consider working in a different industry! But in all honesty, I don't think that IE6 is all that difficult to accomodate. Does anyone remember IE5, ir IE5 Mac? (shudder) Those browers were a NIGHTMARE to code for. IE6 is a walk in the park by comparison. Still, I won't mourn its passing! I recently completed work on the overhaul of a project management web application, and was able to specify that IE6 would not be supported. It was a great feeling and sped up the development process significantly!

However, typically when I am working on client sites I do still test in IE6. I no longer aim for pixel perfection in IE6, and spend only the miniumum amount of time required to fix IE6 display errors.

On my blog and personal sites I test in IE7+. If someone is reading a web development blog and still using IE6, they seriously need to consider working in a different industry!

But in all honesty, I don’t think that IE6 is all that difficult to accomodate. Does anyone remember IE5, ir IE5 Mac? (shudder) Those browers were a NIGHTMARE to code for. IE6 is a walk in the park by comparison. Still, I won’t mourn its passing!

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