<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: How web standards feels</title>
	<atom:link href="http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/</link>
	<description>Strategic web development</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:48:12 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Birgit</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5864</link>
		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5864</guid>
		<description>For me, it was a feeling of new professionality that came with web standards. Not having to think in tables anymore when designing. Also, the concept seemed very logical to me. And last but not least, the beauty of the sites fascinated me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it was a feeling of new professionality that came with web standards. Not having to think in tables anymore when designing. Also, the concept seemed very logical to me. And last but not least, the beauty of the sites fascinated me.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Henrik Feldt</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrik Feldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5799</guid>
		<description>Since I guess I&#039;m the youngest here, I have never coded a table layout.

It started with framesets and applets. Then onto CSS, around year 2002... ALA became interesting to me during the spring 2003, with its mind-bending &quot;sprites&quot;, &quot;faux columns&quot; and &quot;fuzzy drop down shadows&quot;.

The tables were everywhere duing 2003, and my CSS learning rate wasn&#039;t really that high in the start - mostly because I used Internet Explorer.

Btw - it&#039;s fun to find Björn Thomasson on this page (hi there!) - I worked out at the same kayaking club as him when I was ~11 years. He actually introduced me to HTML. (of course very non-semantic HTML 3, but non-the-less)

A bit off-topic perhaps, but it&#039;s fun to find him here ;). And look at me now - got my own web development company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I guess I&#8217;m the youngest here, I have never coded a table layout.</p>
<p>It started with framesets and applets. Then onto CSS, around year 2002&#8230; ALA became interesting to me during the spring 2003, with its mind-bending &#8220;sprites&#8221;, &#8220;faux columns&#8221; and &#8220;fuzzy drop down shadows&#8221;.</p>
<p>The tables were everywhere duing 2003, and my CSS learning rate wasn&#8217;t really that high in the start &#8211; mostly because I used Internet Explorer.</p>
<p>Btw &#8211; it&#8217;s fun to find Björn Thomasson on this page (hi there!) &#8211; I worked out at the same kayaking club as him when I was ~11 years. He actually introduced me to HTML. (of course very non-semantic HTML 3, but non-the-less)</p>
<p>A bit off-topic perhaps, but it&#8217;s fun to find him here ;). And look at me now &#8211; got my own web development company.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christian Tietze</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5699</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Tietze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5699</guid>
		<description>I began to write HTML in 2000 or so, wrote my first &quot;align=center&quot; websites and so on, copied cool and bright table designs which were popular for QuickBasic RPG developers (like RPG DX back then).

I didn&#039;t understand what I copied, but the table stuff caused more problems than it solved because it was so hard to edit a whole website&#039;s design. 

Then I learned PHP and how to get data out of databases, then I discovered that my graphics skills sucked, hence my graphical bordered boxes looked rather ugly, yeah, then I started thinking about another way and discovered ALA and other websites concerning web design (I never knew that somehting like that existed!), that was about three years ago, I think, and since then I improved my understanding of web standards, starting with the doctype rules of XHTML 1.0 Transitional, then advanced to strict mode (which took me a lot of time since I didn&#039;t understand why it was so... strict). I followed the masses, so to speak, without knowing what I really did for a long time. 

My conciousness or web-savvy-ness grew exponentially during the last 14 months, and now I&#039;m really proud of understanding the principles, being one of the level 4 CSS coders (I think it was level 4, but I&#039;m not sure - the one preceding the &quot;inventor level&quot;), at least in my own opinion.

Yeah, and nowadays I&#039;m 19, develop web pages in my spare time and think about how in the name of god I will ever be able to convince other people, like customers, that I walk a way that&#039;s &quot;more right&quot; than the old one :)

At least a friend of mine, a designer, begins to adopt my principles just because my stuff works an his didn&#039;t :) That&#039;s probably the only way. Making things work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I began to write HTML in 2000 or so, wrote my first &#8220;align=center&#8221; websites and so on, copied cool and bright table designs which were popular for QuickBasic RPG developers (like RPG DX back then).</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t understand what I copied, but the table stuff caused more problems than it solved because it was so hard to edit a whole website&#8217;s design. </p>
<p>Then I learned PHP and how to get data out of databases, then I discovered that my graphics skills sucked, hence my graphical bordered boxes looked rather ugly, yeah, then I started thinking about another way and discovered ALA and other websites concerning web design (I never knew that somehting like that existed!), that was about three years ago, I think, and since then I improved my understanding of web standards, starting with the doctype rules of XHTML 1.0 Transitional, then advanced to strict mode (which took me a lot of time since I didn&#8217;t understand why it was so&#8230; strict). I followed the masses, so to speak, without knowing what I really did for a long time. </p>
<p>My conciousness or web-savvy-ness grew exponentially during the last 14 months, and now I&#8217;m really proud of understanding the principles, being one of the level 4 CSS coders (I think it was level 4, but I&#8217;m not sure &#8211; the one preceding the &#8220;inventor level&#8221;), at least in my own opinion.</p>
<p>Yeah, and nowadays I&#8217;m 19, develop web pages in my spare time and think about how in the name of god I will ever be able to convince other people, like customers, that I walk a way that&#8217;s &#8220;more right&#8221; than the old one :)</p>
<p>At least a friend of mine, a designer, begins to adopt my principles just because my stuff works an his didn&#8217;t :) That&#8217;s probably the only way. Making things work.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Björn Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5688</link>
		<dc:creator>Björn Thomasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5688</guid>
		<description>The same story - I started out with frames, tables, javascripts, hacks galore because that´s what I found every time looking under the hood when the big guys had performed their magic. But the combined effect of Zeldman´s Designing with web standards, Eric Meyer´s On CSS, Zen garden, WaSP and ALA won me over willingly, and with real relief I got rid of all the obsolete junk, never to look back. It´s like Karajan said of the CD back in 1983: &quot;All else is gaslight&quot;. Now I can´t believe my eyes when I see high profile web sites remade as if it still were 1995!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same story &#8211; I started out with frames, tables, javascripts, hacks galore because that´s what I found every time looking under the hood when the big guys had performed their magic. But the combined effect of Zeldman´s Designing with web standards, Eric Meyer´s On CSS, Zen garden, WaSP and ALA won me over willingly, and with real relief I got rid of all the obsolete junk, never to look back. It´s like Karajan said of the CD back in 1983: &#8220;All else is gaslight&#8221;. Now I can´t believe my eyes when I see high profile web sites remade as if it still were 1995!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sean Fraser</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5673</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5673</guid>
		<description>I had an online bookstore (aside from a site development-with-tables shop). I tweaked it every three months. I hated having to edit every page. I found the CSS p attribute and fonts; that was very cool. I then found an article about using CSS for presentation; that was exceptionally cool. I purchased &quot;Designing with Web Standards&quot; (of which &lt;em&gt;web standards&lt;/em&gt; meant nothing to me).

I found CSS so much more simple than tables.

Years later, after seduction by Malarkey articles with his Ian Dury references, I discovered &lt;strong&gt;Web Standards&lt;/strong&gt; philosophy.

It&#039;s a very simple precept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an online bookstore (aside from a site development-with-tables shop). I tweaked it every three months. I hated having to edit every page. I found the CSS p attribute and fonts; that was very cool. I then found an article about using CSS for presentation; that was exceptionally cool. I purchased &#8220;Designing with Web Standards&#8221; (of which <em>web standards</em> meant nothing to me).</p>
<p>I found CSS so much more simple than tables.</p>
<p>Years later, after seduction by Malarkey articles with his Ian Dury references, I discovered <strong>Web Standards</strong> philosophy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very simple precept.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jarvklo</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5667</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarvklo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5667</guid>
		<description>Ahh.. 
The memories, the memories :)

What finally won me over to standards was actually a combination of several things...
Firstly the &quot;it must be a way to do this better&quot;-feeling you describe started growing on me back in &#039;99 or so after a period of teaching basic HTML (Transitional without much attention to details other than what worked &quot;better&quot; i.e. browser-independent in the browsers of that period. - NS4 was among them - GAH). 
... and then Zeldman published &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alistapart.com/issues/99&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;issue #99 of ALA&lt;/a&gt; - WOW!

Secondly back in &#039;99 or so I had a period in my career that led me into studying the innards of XML  - and I suddenly discovered that the DTD:s of the then proposed standard &quot;XHTML&quot; where actually understandable and that the &quot;Strict&quot; variant of that language actually was quite clean and logical... That feeling lay dormant an grew for a while due to some career twists, but when ALA (Zeldman again of course) published the article &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterliving/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Better living through XHTML&lt;/a&gt;&quot; in the spring of &#039;02 about the same time I accidently stumbled upon a certain domain name at nunames, that was all she wrote - I realised that XHTML and CSS was a perfect match for me, and don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever forget that blissful feeling :)
So from that moment on I was sold enough to start to humbly advocate standards - and that feeling have been driving me ever since...

... and I really think  the method &quot;read standards related web magazines and blogs&quot; could work for almost anyone with a basic interest of getting over that &quot;it should be able to do better&quot;-feeling :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh..<br />
The memories, the memories :)</p>
<p>What finally won me over to standards was actually a combination of several things&#8230;<br />
Firstly the &#8220;it must be a way to do this better&#8221;-feeling you describe started growing on me back in &#8217;99 or so after a period of teaching basic HTML (Transitional without much attention to details other than what worked &#8220;better&#8221; i.e. browser-independent in the browsers of that period. &#8211; NS4 was among them &#8211; GAH).<br />
&#8230; and then Zeldman published <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/issues/99" rel="nofollow">issue #99 of ALA</a> &#8211; WOW!</p>
<p>Secondly back in &#8217;99 or so I had a period in my career that led me into studying the innards of XML  &#8211; and I suddenly discovered that the DTD:s of the then proposed standard &#8220;XHTML&#8221; where actually understandable and that the &#8220;Strict&#8221; variant of that language actually was quite clean and logical&#8230; That feeling lay dormant an grew for a while due to some career twists, but when ALA (Zeldman again of course) published the article &#8220;<a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterliving/" rel="nofollow">Better living through XHTML</a>&#8221; in the spring of &#8217;02 about the same time I accidently stumbled upon a certain domain name at nunames, that was all she wrote &#8211; I realised that XHTML and CSS was a perfect match for me, and don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever forget that blissful feeling :)<br />
So from that moment on I was sold enough to start to humbly advocate standards &#8211; and that feeling have been driving me ever since&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; and I really think  the method &#8220;read standards related web magazines and blogs&#8221; could work for almost anyone with a basic interest of getting over that &#8220;it should be able to do better&#8221;-feeling :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Martin Olsson</title>
		<link>http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5666</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Olsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://friendlybit.com/css/how-web-standards-feels/#comment-5666</guid>
		<description>I agree. The feeling when everything snaps into place and you know intuitively that you&#039;ve managed to find a minimal and semantically correct html structure and the simplest possible css is really great. You just don&#039;t get that feeling after a day knee deep in nested tables and ugly hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The feeling when everything snaps into place and you know intuitively that you&#8217;ve managed to find a minimal and semantically correct html structure and the simplest possible css is really great. You just don&#8217;t get that feeling after a day knee deep in nested tables and ugly hacks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Page Caching using disk: enhanced (User agent is rejected)
Database Caching using disk: basic
Object Caching 289/294 objects using disk: basic

Served from: friendlybit.com @ 2012-05-22 08:58:32 -->
